Word file #020Here to stayEveryday English

What does lose face mean?

丢脸diūliǎn

Say itlooz FAYSSverb phrase (idiom)

Character by character
  1. 丢diūlose, throw away
  2. 脸liǎnface

To lose other people’s respect, especially by looking foolish, weak, or wrong in public.

To lose face is to lose other people’s respect [1]. It usually happens in public: you look foolish, weak, or wrong in front of people whose opinion matters to you. A manager who will not admit a mistake may be afraid of losing face. A government that backs down in a fight may lose face too. You meet the phrase most in news about leaders, governments, and negotiations, and it often comes with its partner, save face.

English speakers say looz FAYSS, with the stress on “face.” The phrase is a word-for-word translation of the Mandarin 丢脸 diūliǎn (traditional 丟臉). 丢 diū means “lose” or “throw away,” and 脸 liǎn means “face.” Diū has the first tone, high and flat. Liǎn has the third tone, which dips low. Together they sound a bit like “dyoh-lyen.” In English, lose face is a neutral, slightly formal idiom that is fine at work and in the news. In Chinese, 丢脸 is much more casual and much more common.

Word stats

Known in English
Most English speakers know it from the news and from talk about work. Few know it is a word-for-word copy of Chinese.
Said in China today
Chinese speakers say 丢脸 every day, but often for small things, like a quick “so embarrassing!”
Polite
The phrase itself is not rude, and newspapers print it all the time. Telling someone that they lost face, to their face, is less kind.
Freshness
It is almost two hundred years old and very steady. About as many people look it up now as last year.

Spotted in the wild

Work chat · Thursday, 4:40 pm
  1. Priyaso the numbers in greg’s report were wrong
  2. Youeveryone could see it. he still said the spreadsheet was “being weird”
  3. Priyahe’d rather blame the software than lose face in front of the director

What it means here: Greg will not admit his mistake because he is afraid the director will respect him less.

Comments under a news story
  1. Marcusboth sides said they’d never move. now there’s suddenly a deal?
  2. Lenathey’re calling it a “framework.” nobody has to say they backed down
  3. Marcusah, the classic face-saving deal. nobody loses face and everybody gets a photo

What it means here: The two leaders found a way to agree without either of them looking weak in public.

Family chat · Sunday night
  1. Momyou sang the second verse twice at auntie’s wedding 😂 真丢脸
  2. Youmom it was ONE extra verse. did I really lose face?
  3. Momno, everyone loved it. still embarrassing though

What it means here: Mom writes 真丢脸 (zhēn diūliǎn, “so embarrassing”); in casual Chinese, 丢脸 can be a light word for an awkward moment, much smaller than losing face in English.

How to use it

  • lose face in front of someoneHe didn’t want to lose face in front of his team.
  • be afraid of losing faceShe was afraid of losing face, so she never asked for help.
  • without losing faceHow can the mayor change her mind without losing face?
  • a loss of face (noun)Backing down now would be a huge loss of face for the government.
  • save face / a face-saving dealThe new deal let both sides save face.

Don’t say it like this

  • Sounds offI lost my face at the meeting.

    Say thisI lost face at the meeting.

    The idiom has no “my” and no article. “Lose my face” sounds like your face fell off.

  • Sounds offShe lost face when she dropped her coffee.

    Say thisShe was embarrassed when she dropped her coffee.

    In English, lose face is about respect and status, not small accidents. Chinese 丢脸 can cover small moments, but the English phrase is bigger.

  • Sounds offDon’t lose his face in the meeting.

    Say thisDon’t make him lose face in the meeting.

    Losing face is something that happens to a person. To cause it, say “make someone lose face” or “embarrass someone.”

lose face or not?

Is each of these lose face? Pick an answer to find out.

  1. A leader promises never to back down, then backs down in public a week later.

  2. You spill water on your shirt while you are home alone.

  3. A manager is corrected by an intern in front of the whole team, and everyone sees he was wrong.

  4. You quietly fix a typo in your email before anyone reads it.

The lose face family

  • save faceTo avoid looking foolish or weak, or to protect your reputation.Lose face’s partner. English made it up later from lose face, so the borrowing had a child.
  • 丢人 diūrén“Lose person”: an everyday Chinese word that means almost the same as 丢脸.Chinese has two ways to say “how embarrassing,” in case one is not enough.
  • 面子 miànzi“Face” in the sense of prestige and status, as in 没面子 méi miànzi, “to have no face.”If 脸 is your character, 面子 is your reputation. You can 给面子 gěi miànzi, “give face,” to someone, too.

Where it came from

  1. 1830sLose face first appears in pidgin English, the mixed trade language that Chinese and English-speaking merchants used, as a translation of a Chinese expression [3]. Etymonline dates it to 1835 and gives the Chinese source in an old spelling, “tu lien,” which is diūliǎn in pinyin [2].
  2. 1898Save face appears in English, formed from lose face [2].
  3. 1940sFor about a century, English writers used face in a negative way, tied to Chinese people. In the 1940s, anthropologists began to change this. They separated 脸 liǎn from 面子 miànzi and argued that face exists in many cultures [3].
  4. TodayLose face is ordinary English, used most often about leaders, governments, and anyone who would rather not admit a mistake.

Lose face in English vs. 丢脸 in Chinese

English borrowed the words, but the two phrases do not live the same life. In English, lose face is a serious phrase about status. In Chinese, 丢脸 is an everyday word that also covers small, silly moments.

PointEnglish lose faceChinese 丢脸
How commonA set phrase, mostly in news and serious talkAn everyday word, even for small things
How formalNeutral, a little formalCasual
GrammarA verb phrase: “He lost face.”Also works like an adjective: 真丢脸 zhēn diūliǎn, “so embarrassing!”
How strongLost status or respectAnything from a small embarrassment to real shame
Shaming othersNot used this way给父母丢脸 gěi fùmǔ diūliǎn, “bring shame on your parents”

Chinese has two words for “face,” and they are not quite the same. 脸 liǎn is closer to your moral character: are you honest, are you a decent person? 面子 miànzi is closer to prestige and status: do people look up to you? So 丢脸 can mean real disgrace. 丢面子 diū miànzi (traditional 丟面子), “lose miànzi,” is nearer to the English idea of losing status. Another everyday word, 丢人 diūrén (traditional 丟人), means almost the same as 丢脸.

Chinese also has its own phrases for saving face, such as 保全面子 bǎoquán miànzi (“keep face whole”) and 顾面子 gù miànzi (“look after face”).

One more thing to know. For about a century, English writers used the idea of face in a negative way, as if caring about it were a special Chinese weakness [3]. In the 1940s, anthropologists pushed back. They used the difference between 脸 and 面子 to explain the idea more carefully, and they argued that face matters in every culture [3]. Today the phrase is ordinary English, used about people everywhere.

Sources

  1. LOSE FACE Definition & MeaningMerriam-Webster
  2. Face - Etymology, Origin & MeaningOnline Etymology Dictionary (Etymonline)
  3. How the Chinese lost 'face'James St. André, Journal of Pragmatics (2013)

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